There’s a treat in The National today. Articles from one of Scotland’s smartest politicians and one of our most respected political commentators. As one would expect of Joanna Cherry and Lesley Riddoch, both articles are thoughtful and thought-provoking. Both address the constitutional issue. Which also is unsurprising. Both represent a call to action for the Yes movement – each in its different way and in the style of the author. Each poses pertinent questions and raises relevant points and seeks appropriate solutions. Each purports to be adopting a radical approach to reframing the constitutional question, reforming the Yes movement and reshaping the independence campaign.
Both, in my view, fall significantly short of what is required. Neither qualifies as what I would consider radical. Or radical enough. Both set course for that point where thinking that is merely fresh or bold tips over into thinking that is truly radical. Both approach that point, but ultimately shy away. Neither is willing to entirely abandon the comfort blanket of settled ideas and accepted attitudes. Both are important and extremely welcome interventions in the ongoing debate about how the campaign to restore Scotland’s independence might be re-floated, having been grounded on the sandbank of political inertia and pusillanimous hyper-caution for five years. Neither quite floats my boat.
Joanna Cherry says “the challenge for the SNP is how we approach reframing the case for independence”. Which sounds promising. But the promise is superficial. She stops short of identifying the real challenge – which is to reframe the party’s entire approach to the whole constitutional issue. Tinkering with the “case for independence” is about as far from radical as one might get. A radical reframing of the constitutional issue rejects the need for such a case. At the very least, it separates the “case for independence” from the campaign for independence. A radically reframed approach to the constitutional issue separates principle from policy.
Joanna so nearly gets there. How my heart lifted when I read this,
We want to win independence for Scotland, not just as an end in itself but to make sure that the vital decisions about how we run our economy and our society are taken closer to home so that we can do things differently and better.
It is a measure of how desperate I am for any sign of a rethink in the upper echelons of the SNP that I can get so exited by the mere fact that Joanna Cherry declines to reject instantly and outright the essential truth that whatever else it may be and whatever else some insist it should be, independence is an end in itself. It may be other things. But the righteousness and rightness of ending a political Union that is an affront to democracy has to be by definition a worthy cause in and of itself.
Saying that dissolving the Union is worthwhile only if it brings specified social and economic benefits is like saying that ending slavery was only a good thing if or because it allowed a more economically ‘efficient’ system of wage labour to develop and dominate. Or saying that the sole purpose of eliminating impediments to women realising their potential is to allow them to become more economically active. This is not to compare Scotland’s predicament with that of slaves or those who suffer most from the contrived social and economic imbalances which blight our society. It is merely to make the point that the righting of wrongs is a worthy objective under any circumstances. That rectifying injustice is an end in itself. The Union is a gross injustice visited on all of Scotland’s people all of the time. Restoring Scotland’s independence cannot be other than an end in itself – even if it is not just an end in itself.
Joanna Cherry places herself among “those of us advocating for a more radical approach”. She warns of dire consequences “if we don’t take radical steps now”. She claims to be calling for “a radical rethink”. (my emphasis) But away from the strategically deployed word we find little but the trite platitudes, glib soundbites and vacuous glittering generalities which are the gruel on which the Yes movement has survived these past years. How often have we been told of the need to “produce a strong new economic case for independence”? Truly radical thinkers are asking why we need to be producing any economic case for independence given that there is no economic case against independence and even if there were it would not – could not! – weigh against the imperative of correcting a grotesquely inequitable constitutional settlement.
She insists that “the SNP still need [sic] clear answers to the questions voters have about our economic future”. Truly radical thinkers long since realised that there are no such answers. The realities of the prevailing economic system preclude “clear answers” about tomorrow, never mind an “economic future” beyond the restoration of Scotland’s independence – however imminent that may be. Truly radical thinkers quickly recognised that planting the idea of clear answers being possible was part of the British state’s propaganda effort aimed at generating unreasonable doubt and exaggerating reasonable concerns.
As long as there have been people there has been politics. As long as there has been politics there has been propaganda. And as long as there has been propaganda there has been the technique of convincing the people that there is something which is real; to which they are entitled, and which is being unfairly withheld from them by ‘the other side’. The British establishment used the might of its mass media machinery to instil the idea that independence was a “leap in the dark” – when in fact it is the normal status of nations. They sought to persuade people that there had to be a detailed plan stretching far further into the future than it is possible to see. They propagated the lie that “clear answers” existed but were being withheld or distorted by the SNP. In this, the Unionist cause was aided and abetted by pretty much the whole of the SNP and a huge part of the wider Yes movement. If you’re thinking of repeating that disastrous mistake then you’re not thinking radically.
Better Together said run and fetch me an economic case, and half the independence obediently started trying to find or concoct one – apparently without realising that whatever economic argument they so dutifully fetched it would not be the one their puppet-master wanted.
You cannot answer a constitutional question with a calculator. Until that piece of homespun wisdom is first and foremost in your mind at any mention of a “economic case for independence”, claims to being radical are dubious at best.
Truly radical thinkers have not spent the last five years fretting over ways to polish the turd of previous misjudgements. Truly radical thinkers have devoted themselves to thinking of ways in which the techniques deployed so successfully by the enemies of Scotland’s cause might be modified and utilised in reframing the whole constitutional issue. The SNP has not only studiously ignored all such radical thinking it has assiduously striven to exclude it from the constitutional debate. If, like me, you hoped that Joanna Cherry might be moving to open up that debate then you too will be
somewhat sorely disappointed by her column in today’s National.
Lesley Riddoch focuses on the wider independence movement and the matter of how a consensus might be reached in order to build a “new Yes movement”. But, again, the talk is of radical change while the product of her ‘radical’ deliberations looks uncannily like what we’ve had before – another talking shop where righteous intellectuals go to have their agendas fondled. Lesley asks the meaningful, probing and crucial question facing the Yes movement,
… how can one single body possibly speak for a wheen of independence supporting groups and individuals, without constantly seeking consent and approval?
Having asked the question, however, she totally ignores the obvious answer in order to go for a wee wander among the flowers in the garden of outmoded thinking. She forgets one of the best pieces of advice anybody ever offered those who address such questions – look first for the answer in the question. The clue is in the phrase “one single body”. The answer to the question of how this one single body can speak freely and with full authority for a “wheen” of diverse groups and individuals is that the one single body concern itself with one single issue – the issue on which all these diverse groups and individuals are agreed – the restoration of Scotland’s independence. Or, to put that another way – to reframe it – the dissolution of the Union.
She calls the creation of a unified Yes organisation a “tall order”. It isn’t all that tall. The really tall order is changing the mindset which has informed the Yes movement up to now. If you’re talking about this new group being concerned with “policy development” then you’re stuck in the rut of a mindset which is well past its use-by date. Been there! Done that! Don’t even have a T-shirt to show for it! I’ve lost count of the number of groups that have been set up and organisations which have been formed to supposedly provide a venue for policy debate and formulation. The tendency is for them to briefly flare in a glow of crowdfunding fervour before disappearing down the plughole of irreconcilable agendas. Some circle that plughole for a while. Some cling on or momentarily resurface like that enormous wee spider you’re trying to flush away. But their ultimate fate is the same. As is testified to by the perceived need to constantly replace them with another bit of drain-fodder.
Here’s Lesley again.
So, perhaps the new Yes campaign…
Whoah! Hang on! Haud! The! Fone! It’s a “campaign” now!? A moment ago it was a movement! It cant be both. It just can’t. They are very different beasts. I can’t believe Lesley is unaware of this. Perhaps it was just an attempt to avoid excessive repetition of the word ‘movement’, But it’s an unfortunate choice. The defining characteristics of a campaign are in many ways diametrically opposed to those of a movement. A movement can be diverse. A campaign must be unified. A movement can be accommodating. A campaign must be focused. A movement can be unstructured. A campaign must be disciplined. A movement can be organic. A campaign is a machine.
Please continue, Lesley.
…should not try to do more than a few specific tasks – media rebuttal, policy development and dissemination events – in conjunction with groups that already do these things well. After all, local groups have survived without central support for a very long time – and are maybe all the stronger for that.
With all the considerable respect due to Ms Riddoch, here we have a text-book example of what I call restricted thinking. Thinking that follows a path leading in the right direction but which stops when it finds a place that seems comfortable. Lesley recognises that this new body must have a very limited remit. And she’s happy with that. So she doesn’t follow through to consider how limited that remit must be in order to make the body feasible. She neglects to test the lower limit of the limitations on the remit. She fails to test that lower limit against the criteria for a body with the proposed purpose. Had she done so, I’m certain she would agree that this is one of those instances when less is more. Three functions good. Two functions better. One function! Why didn’t I think of that before?
Follow the train of thought to its logical conclusion even if its a conclusion you don’t like. And if the conclusion is one you can’t live with, don’t try to insert a conclusion that doesn’t fit. If you want a different conclusion you’ll only find it by following a different path.
Lesley states that “a movement must not reproduce the “”one-singer-one-song” style of leadership that’s caused so much frustration”. But it’s not the singer that’s caused the frustration. Or the fact that she’s a soloist. It’s the song that’s been the problem. The rest of Nicola Sturgeon’s repertoire is, for the most part, quite delightful. But when she sings that one about her love for the ‘Gold Standard’ every thinking person in the Yes movement cringes. And there are a lot of thinking people in the Yes movement. The crowd are slow-clapping and stamping their feet demanding she perform that new one about getting Scotland out of the accursed Union. Less Petula Clark and more Aretha Franklin! Less ‘Downtown’ and more ‘Respect’! Maybe an encore of ‘Hit the road (Union) Jack!’.
Make up your mind, Lesley! Is it a movement you want or a campaign. If the former, you’ve already got it. If the latter then it had better be doing the one song that everybody can sing along with sung by the one singer people will listen to.
One final thing from Lesley Riddoch’s column.
I’ve long thought local Yes groups should form a national federation, to create a countervailing influence to any national Yes organisation which will inevitably attract professionals and marginalise the working-class voices in local groups.
This or something similar might well serve as the epitaph for progressive, leftist politics. ‘We wanted change but loathed and distrusted the power needed to bring about change.’ Get over yourself! Causes need figureheads! Organisations need managers! Campaigns need leaders! That’s because of the nature of these things. It’s wishful thinking of the wooliest variety to suppose that their nature can conform to the demands of your ideology. If you’d rather not get anywhere than be led then you are going nowhere. It’s the way leadership manifests that matters. Not the fact of its existence.
The Yes movement has shown itself to be very adept at producing emergent leadership where and when it is required. Lesley herself cites several instances including AUOB. An excellent example of a rare phenomenon. An organisation which emerged from a movement while remaining part of that movement. The secret is that it concerned itself with one thing and one thing only – marches and rallies. (I know that’s two things! You know they’re both part of one thing! So STFU!) One thing that virtually the entire Yes movement agreed on.
That is the model for a new Yes body. The Yes movement desperately needs to speak with one voice. And it can only speak with one voice on one point. Not independence! Independence is a disputed concept. It is not one thing. It is different things to every one of that “wheen of independence supporting groups and individuals”. There can be no consensus on independence. Just as there can be no consensus on policy. (I sincerely trust that requires no explanation.)
The Yes movement needs to form or give birth to a body capable of articulating its common commitment to ending the Union. It must be able to speak with authority on this point and this point only. It must be mandated to represent the Yes movement as a whole in discussions with the SNP and other parties. But only insofar as these discussions are about the practical steps to dissolving the Union.
There’s your consensus, Lesley. Now let’s build that new body. Call it the Scottish National Convention. Call it the National Congress. But do it. And if you can’t do it yourself, urge on those who can.
We are fond of telling each other that we all want the same thing. It’s time to clarify and declare what that one thing is. The one thing we all demand regardless of any ideology or agenda. Let this demand be proclaimed with one voice by all who associate themselves with Scotland’s cause. Independence! Nothing less! And nothing else!
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27 thoughts on “Independence! Nothing less! And nothing else!”
I couldn’t agree more and I speak from experience. I’ve had discussions with the ISP and The People Alliance. I know you’re a sceptic on list parties. Both groups are already looking beyond the constitutional question to other aspects of policy and I fear that it will be their downfall because it’ll make them lose focus on the constitution. When you have a broad church it makes sense, to me at least, that you emphasise the areas of agreement. I’m also involved in one of the attempts to create a regional umbrella group for all of the local groups to participate in. To my mind the job of such a group is to foster connections between groups, share resources and help new groups to get up and running. It isn’t to dictate from above. The phrase “herding cats” always comes to mind as we’ve found it really difficult to get buy in from some local groups. There’s some evidence that the more a local group is dominated by the SNP, the less likely they are to do anything that hasn’t been specifically sanctioned by the party. I can only hope that an official campaign launch will focus minds, but we may have a long wait for that if we can’t get past the idea that the SNP are the Independence Movement.
Where do you find this idea that “the SNP are the Independence Movement”? I have been involved in the independence campaign for many years. While it was a plain fact that the SNP was the independence movement in the now barely relevant past, I have never heard such a claim made in the last 20 years. I hear lots of people complaining about the claim that the SNP are the independence movement. But I can honestly cays that I have never found any instance of this being said by anyone. I would be understandably grateful, therefore, if you could point me to one of the examples which prompts your comment.
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The refusal of a section 30 order in my opinion should have been met with an equal punch back or threat there of. That’s the day the English parliament formally declared its intention to annex Scotland. It should have been the day Scotlands MP’s returned even if just for a time and set up a body in Edinburgh to discuss the next steps.
It would have sent shock waves but the SNP seem to not to want to rock the boat. There was another huge opportunity wasted. Even if all it did was give the SNP an opportunity to say to the Scottish public that contrary to being told we were equal partners only a few years ago Westminster is now attempting to annex Scotland to become a region of England forever more.
The SNP need to be told, covid or not. Get your finger out or we will create a new indy party. Last chance message to them.
They have squandered all sorts of opportunities over the years and I know I’m far from the only one who is getting pissed off with their timidity in the face of the British state which we wish to destroy.
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‘It would have sent shock waves but the SNP seem to not to want to rock the boat.’
Doesn’t this beg the question why? Why do the SNP not want to rock the boat?
Do they have a cunning plan up their sleeves?
Are they afraid that by ‘rocking the boat’ the English might get really nasty and, for example, just bin the Scottish Parliament?
Why not write to your MP and ask?
I did and I’m concerned,
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Col: “the British state which we wish to destroy.”
I thought the idea was to leave it? But you want the full monty?
By “Destroying” it, I think Col means destroying the United Kingdom, as a State.
As there will be no UK after Independence!
Heaven knows what name they can find for themselves then, but it wouldn’t be UK. Especially if we abandon the Monarchy, and I’m sure we will. They could get away with simply “Britain”,(England and Wales), but not “Great Britain” as Scotland is no longer part of it, and that’s the name for the entire Island, just as “British Isles” includes Eire, and that’s been taken away from them since just after World War One, when the Irish left.
I wonder if they’e come up with a new name for themselves yet, other than just “England”?
Of course, we know they just can’t face the prospect, but we hope very soon, they will have to face it.
SNP getting a grip on things, will help matters greatly in that direction. But as things stand…….,
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“You cannot answer a constitutional question with a calculator.”
That one earned me a wee uptick from no less a figure than Dr W. Elliot Bulmer.
It’s brilliant but your heading is better.
‘Independence! Nothing less! And nothing else!’
A simple message but to the point and says everything! It should be plastered over double-decker buses from Gretna to Wick!
There are some practical ways in which a calculator could support the cause.
£200 a week personal credit for every adult in Scotland
£450 per week Scottish state pension from age 65
No poverty and no austerity in Scotland!
And other things the Scottish government is already providing.
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Irish Constitution Art 15 8.3 “In cases of special emergency, however, either House may hold a private sitting with the assent of two-thirds of the members present.”
How many members would that be?
But that is Erie, and this is Scotland, (within UK), and neither Edinburgh nor Westminster have such a rule.
Dunno, maybe with Independence, we could have a set number that must be in Parliament for certain legislation to be passed.
At any rate, I can’t see the relevance here.
If you have an idea how we might use something similar to the Dail Eireann, for Scotland, and for Independence, some of us would be interested in reading it, however.
FYI The Scottish Parliament has a quorum rule (25%) in the election of First Minister and Presiding Officer. This also applies to election of members to the Scottish Parliament Corporate Body.
Standing Orders were amended by the Scotland Act 2016 to require a super majority (66%) in votes on Bills relating to the conduct of elections – franchise etc.
It is still a constitutional question you can answer with a calculator.
“Independence! Nothing less! And nothing else!”
I’d copyright that – it should be the mission statement for the next referendum or plebiscite election campaign.
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The case for separation is indisputable.
We are being shafted, robbed, insulted and humiliated by a cabal of Tory clowns yet again – only this time of an altogether more repugnant hue. Yet we are sitting back and allowing them to govern us.
They are taking us out of the EU against our democratic will. They are piling insult upon injury and seem to be goading us to react. Yet we do nothing except squeal in protest.
They are too stupid to even realise that they are killing the goose with the golden eggs.
They are biting the very hand that feeds them.
We should show them no mercy.
What are we waiting for?
There seems to be a consensus that independence needs to be won at the ballot box. Under the circumstances described above, that should be like shooting fish in a barrel.
We have the perfect storm – if the Scottish electorate is not convinced by the spectacle of what is happening at Westminster, by the response in England to COVID19 and by the onrushing no-deal Brexit -if that does not convince them of the need for and the urgency to end this union now, then what campaign is going to convince them?
If the independence/separation movement cannot win independence/separation in this set of circumstances, it really needs to chuck it.
We would be starting with at least 45% support – the 45% are still here and even more determined. This is what they have been waiting for.
However, (dare I say it?) we could take a leaf out of the Johnson/Cummings book on how to win a mandate.
Only we will be honest with what we promise the electorate.
This dynamic duo doesn’t forget the KISS principle – Keep It Simple, Stupid.
There are apparently 40% of the Scottish electorate who will never vote for separation under any circumstances. We should not waste our breath on them. They will still enjoy the benefits of independence/separation but we must take the path of least resistance.
That leaves 15% of the electorate undecided and that is where the campaign must be fought.
Johnson and Cummings would know that. They would also know that, if this 15 % are undecided, it’s likely they are not the sharpest tools in the box. They haven’t been paying attention.
They are the kind of people who would believe you if you paraded around in a big double-decker bus saying you could produce £350 million a week for the NHS.
J & C would also know (well at least C would know) that this demographic will only be interested in what’s in it for them. That is most likely to be the security of income, healthcare and education for their families and possibly a stable government.
The SNP has already been discussing universal basic income and increasing pensions to come into line with EU averages.
So we go with:
* £200 per week universal income for everyone over the age of 16
* £450 per week pension from the age of 65
* EU membership safe in our hands
* NHS safe in our hands
* Free prescriptions for all
* Free University Education for all
* A world-renowned Education Sector
* A Scottish Government who have delivered stability for more than a decade despite Westminster handicaps.
How do we pay for this? Well, we get to keep all of our tax revenue, all of our trading profits (including oil) and no longer have to pay for Trident.
This ain’t rocket science. We don’t need 55 replies in response to a blog by Peter Bell about how we plan this thing! (My head is still spinning).
This should be a breeze.
But we need action – not words!
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Calling Independence for Scotland “Separation” is a Unionist term.
“Separation” is used, to make it sound like we are a bit of England, leaving the “mother country”, kind of thing. We are a country!
We want to go back to being fully in charge of our own destiny, and affairs, etc.
Nobody demanding Irish Independence ever spoke about wanting “separation” from British rule.
It is a phrase to be avoided. by anyone who wants independence.
We already have the Free Prescriptions!
FFS! This is why we are stuck in a rut and ruled by a bunch of Tories spivs. We spend our time arguing semantics instead of getting on with it!
Separation is a perfectly acceptable term and better than independence. We are separating from a union which has us in chains. We don’t need independence, we are already independent.
I’m not talking about leaving the ‘mother country.’ We don’t have a mother country. On that, we agree.
The Irish were not in a union with England but they still went to war to get away from them ( to separate themselves forever).
I am aware we already have free prescriptions – we already have most of the things I mentioned in place to sway the undecided. They usually need to be reminded.
As Cummings will also know, in order to win the argument, you have to tell them what you are going to tell them, then you tell them and then you tell them what you have just told them. We’re not dealing with intellectuals (or pedants)!
Try going to a polling booth and tell them you are offering, not separation but independence. See how far that gets you.
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A longer version of the Cherry article appears in Sceptical Scot (http://sceptical.scot/2020/05/radical-challenges-for-the-snp/), where there is also some critique of it. That version also links directly to the Common Weal document she mentions.
So it may be worth discussing the flaws in the details, to the extent that there are any, over there?
It’s on my list.
Hey, mister! Ah thought you’d chucked it!
So did I.
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I agree that we need our status as an independent nation, (tomorrow preferably).
I have a few ‘friends’ who argue with me that the people of Scotland are no longer ‘sovereign’.
They don’t show me any articles proving this.
Also, I was listening to the Weeginger Dugcast with Mark McNaught about a Scottish Digital Covenant. What are your views on this?
Cheers Peter, keep writing and you’ll keep me, and many others, fighting the good fight with somewhere to move toward 😉
I must try to catch that podcast. Mark McNaught and I are old pals. He is doing valuable work on developing a Scottish Constitution.
The Scottish Digital Covenant is an interesting project – https://digitalcovenant.co.uk/. But it doesn’t matter how worthwhile a project is if it doesn’t serve to focus the strength of the Yes movement. I suspect many people will groan at the mention of yet another new initiative. But I am persuaded that there needs to be a body devised specifically to serve as the voice of the Yes movement. Existing groups inevitably bring baggage to the role. It must be absolutely clear from the outset that this new body is concerned solely and exclusively with ending the Union.
Oh FFS lets just “GET INDY DONE”
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And of course in indyref1 we had Yes Scotland, one campaign to make you join and in the control freakery of the SNP bind you. Which is why RIC was formed and a good thing it was because the SNP were a middle class thing back there. No Trades Union section then. It needed RIC to tramp the mean streets and closes of the schemes for it. Which we did and found: normal good people. One of our number tells of being pursued down a close by a junkie, who only wanted voter reg forms for him and his girlfriend.
I walked the schemes of Dundee in the winter dark with my clipboard and badges on and folk nodded or said hello. There was no aggro, no threat and I’m a nerdy science type not a horny handed son of toil.
But dawn Sept 18 2014 and the get out our vote campaign, run by, the SNP. Who sent an entire car load of us to a leafy suburb with long drives. Meantime the service buttons on the multis stop working at 12noon. Want to know why turnout was down in Glasgow and Dundee? because we didn’t get our vote out. The multis were full of our vote, three steps another door to chap. but we didn’t do it.
The folk in the schemes are good, nice people but they tend to be less organised, less focussed (except on getting by) than others. So they needed reminders to vote, of the necessity of everyone voting and we didn’t do it. Add in complacency and that explains it. Might have taken us to 46%.
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